Conjecture 004

Rank-conditioned tails of local Tamagawa numbers

Conjecture
RetainedLMFDB tested & reviewed
Field
Arithmetic Geometry
Domain
elliptic curves; Tamagawa numbers; split multiplicative reduction; conductor ordering
Review
Unresolved
  • elliptic curves
  • Tamagawa numbers
  • split multiplicative reduction
  • conductor ordering
  • Mordell–Weil rank
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Summary

We formulate a conjectural power-law distribution for local Tamagawa numbers at marked split multiplicative primes of semistable elliptic curves over ℚ, ordered by conductor and conditioned by Mordell–Weil rank and the sign of the minimal discriminant. We record the numerical evidence motivating the conjecture and explain the gap between the proposed conductor-ordered statement and known fixed-prime, height-ordered local density results.

Abstract

We formulate a conjectural power-law distribution for local Tamagawa numbers at marked split multiplicative primes of semistable elliptic curves over Q\mathbb Q, ordered by conductor and conditioned by Mordell–Weil rank and the sign of the minimal discriminant. We record the numerical evidence motivating the conjecture and explain the gap between the proposed conductor-ordered statement and known fixed-prime, height-ordered local density results.

Statement of the conjecture

Fix an integer r0r\geq 0 and a sign σ{1,+1}\sigma\in\{-1,+1\}. For X>0X>0, let

Sr,σ(X)={(E,q):NEX, E/Q semistable and non-CM,rankE(Q)=r,[E]Q-isog={E},sgn(Δmin(E))=σ,E has split multiplicative reduction at q}.\begin{aligned} \mathcal S_{r,\sigma}(X)=\bigl\{(E,q):{}& N_E\leq X,\ E/\mathbb Q\text{ semistable and non-CM},\\ &\mathop{\mathrm{rank}}E(\mathbb Q)=r,\quad [E]_{\mathbb Q\text{-isog}}=\{E\},\\ &\mathop{\mathrm{sgn}}(\Delta_{\min}(E))=\sigma,\quad E\text{ has split multiplicative reduction at }q\bigr\}. \end{aligned}

Here elliptic curves are counted up to Q\mathbb Q-isomorphism, while the prime qq is marked. Thus a curve with several split multiplicative primes contributes once for each such prime.

For a prime \ell, define, whenever the limit exists,

δr,σ()=limX#{(E,q)Sr,σ(X):cq(E)=}#Sr,σ(X).\delta_{r,\sigma}(\ell) =\lim_{X\to\infty} \frac{\#\{(E,q)\in\mathcal S_{r,\sigma}(X):c_q(E)=\ell\}} {\#\mathcal S_{r,\sigma}(X)}.

Conjecture 1. For every r0r\geq0, every σ{1,+1}\sigma\in\{-1,+1\} and every prime \ell, the density δr,σ()\delta_{r,\sigma}(\ell) exists. Moreover,

lim prime2δr,σ()=r+1.\lim_{\substack{\ell\to\infty\\ \ell\ \mathrm{prime}}} \ell^2\delta_{r,\sigma}(\ell)=r+1.

The order of limits is part of the statement: one first lets the conductor bound XX tend to infinity for fixed \ell, and only afterwards lets \ell tend to infinity through the primes.

Numerical evidence

In the complete conductor range NE150000N_E\leq150000, the marked split-multiplicative samples contained 6239562395, 116608116608 and 4139041390 pairs in ranks 00, 11 and 22, respectively. The following table gives the observed values of 2Pr(cq(E)=)\ell^2\Pr(c_q(E)=\ell) after pooling both signs of the minimal discriminant.

rank=5\ell=5=7\ell=7=11\ell=11=13\ell=13
001.1621.1621.2531.2531.1871.1871.1811.181
111.6781.6781.9861.9862.0182.0181.9351.935
221.8831.8832.3882.3882.8502.8502.6832.683

Finite-conductor estimates for the scaled local Tamagawa frequency.

Six conductor windows gave comparable values. Splitting by the sign of Δmin\Delta_{\min} preserved the same rank dependence. At =11\ell=11, the negative- and positive-sign estimates were respectively 1.2371.237 and 1.0321.032 in rank 00, 2.0282.028 and 1.9921.992 in rank 11, and 2.8352.835 and 2.8792.879 in rank 22.

A wider check in the uniform range NE500000N_E\leq500000 involved 751417751417 marked pairs. The predicted ordering by rank persisted across five cumulative conductor cutoffs. For \ell beyond roughly 17172323, the finite-cutoff estimates decrease; this is consistent with the fact that a fixed conductor cutoff suppresses very large valuations of the minimal discriminant.

Heuristic motivation

At a split multiplicative prime of Kodaira type InI_n, Tate’s algorithm gives

cq(E)=n=vq(Δmin(E)).c_q(E)=n=v_q(\Delta_{\min}(E)).

Thus Conjecture 1 is a statement about the tail of a marked local discriminant valuation. Conductor ordering records the presence of the bad prime qq but does not directly charge for the size of vq(Δmin)v_q(\Delta_{\min}), making a polynomial tail plausible. The data suggest that the exponent is stable while conditioning on rank changes the leading coefficient. Marking qq removes variation in the number of bad places, and restricting to singleton rational isogeny classes avoids transfers of Tamagawa factors within an isogeny class.

Rank-conditioned Selmer heuristics offer a possible explanation for the factor r+1r+1: conditioning on a larger Mordell–Weil rank may size-bias local arithmetic data. At present this remains only a heuristic analogy.

Relation with known results

Known local density formulae at a fixed residue prime are in a different regime. For fixed pp, the density of minimal Weierstrass models of type ImI_m decays exponentially in mm. Global results on products of Tamagawa numbers are likewise generally height-ordered. Existing conductor-ordered counting theorems allow only restricted families and finitely many prescribed local conditions; they do not impose exact Mordell–Weil rank, a marked varying prime, or a large-prime uniformity statement of the form above.

Open difficulties

A proof would require asymptotics for

Ar,σ(X)=#Sr,σ(X),Ar,σ,(X)=#{(E,q)Sr,σ(X):vq(Δmin(E))=},A_{r,\sigma}(X)=\#\mathcal S_{r,\sigma}(X),\qquad A_{r,\sigma,\ell}(X)= \#\{(E,q)\in\mathcal S_{r,\sigma}(X):v_q(\Delta_{\min}(E))=\ell\},

first for each fixed \ell and then uniformly enough in \ell to obtain δr,σ()(r+1)/2\delta_{r,\sigma}(\ell)\sim(r+1)/\ell^2. No available theorem gives such simultaneous control under exact-rank conditioning. The universal quantifier in rr is also far beyond the numerical range: the available data are statistically meaningful only for r=0,1,2r=0,1,2.

References

  • J. E. Cremona and M. Sadek, Local and global densities for Weierstrass models of elliptic curves, Math. Res. Lett. 28 (2021), 413–461.

  • M. Griffin, K. Ono and W.-L. Tsai, Tamagawa products of elliptic curves, J. Number Theory 247 (2023), 182–201.

  • B. Poonen and E. Rains, Random maximal isotropic subspaces and Selmer groups, J. Amer. Math. Soc. 25 (2012), 245–269.

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